The memory of their son and grandson are never far.. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. Click here for ticket information! to reconsider getting some help with that. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. Please check back for updates as the bill makes its way through the Senate in the coming weeks -- and if you are a Canadian Citizen, please write your Senator to voice your support of C-464 during this crucial time. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Blood red screen. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. (Talking in group) This is not about money. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Ad Choices. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. April 14, 2009: KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' We need each other, have each other to get through this.". They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. It's. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss - Goodreads Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. And you just bought the gun, right? Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. Was it a tight bond? The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. September 28, 2008: (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. At least he might have asleep when she went in. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. December 4, 2008: But how? Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. I'm tired of this. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. It would take two weeks. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. I just want to get through medical school.'. It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. Help contribute to IMDb. Hello. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' MORRISON: What do you do about this? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Except, OK, sometimes not. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. While that change felt good, David wanted more. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. He was like, `Eh, mm.' But I used to look at her hand and think, it. What kind of headfuck must that be? That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Zachary didn't seem like. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Right, right. Zachary, how's our baby today? Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. Pain, loss never end after tragedy strikes couple - East Bay Times Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. But of course I didn't. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. Andrew came to St. John's. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. DVD: Amazon | B&N David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. We made this place together, we own it together, we run it together. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Curated newsletters for curious minds. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. Here's Why 'Dear Zachary' Is The Most Upsetting Documentary Ever Made You dont leave it behind. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Shirley. All rights reserved. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it.

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